PETE WARD
"WELCOME TO MY OUTDOOR WORLD"
Gear Review
Montana Bows
By
Dan Toelke
31345 Lost Creek Lane.
Ronan, Mt 59864
(406) 676-5150
E mail Dan Toelke, Bowyer
"Whip longbows"
Bow#1, 58" 51# @ 27"
Bow #2 ,62" 45# @ 28"
Limbs: Goncalo Alves faces
Gordons clear glass,
Bamboo core
2 maple laminations
Riser: Grandillo with Purple heart overlays.
Update March 2007
I just received this note from dan, he has improved his already great finish and has started making the whip available with the popular Bow Bolt for the 2 piece longbow lovers.
I've been shooting compound bows for quite a few years now and attribute archery to my return to hunting. The added challenge and a closer interaction with with nature was more appealing than the previous experiences I've had with hunting with a rifle. Recently I've taken up traditional archery. I went out and purchase a 66#{other brand} longbow and practiced as much as possible to feel comfortable enough to hunt with it come fall. Unfortunately the bow delaminated during one of the 3D shoots I attended. Traditional equipment is not as specifically fit to the archer as the compound and for the most part nearly anyone can shoot any traditional bow within reasonable draw weight. After my longbow delaminated, Pete offered to let me use a 51# Montana "Whip" Longbow made by Dan Toelke. Not only for the remainder of the shoot but for two weeks until the next shoot. I tried 6 or 7 of the bows Pete had with him (at all times) and took a real liking to the 51# whip. He's real lucky to have gotten it back. Now, I'm no expert and really only have my 66# longbow to compare it to but I would trade my longbow for the whip even if it weren't delaminated. The lighter draw weight was more comfortable to shoot all weekend and in between rounds. I found it very smooth and did not have to alter the way I "aim". I could carry that whip all weekend long and still be amazed a how little it weighed. A very beautifully crafted bow. I'm glad there are people as kind as Pete and Pat out there that can put these bows into the hands of us traditional green horns. It makes it much easier to decide what we like or dislike and the Montana "whip" longbow I like....a lot.
John Biskup
3D Director
Alberta Bowhunters Association
Review
This review will cover 2 Montana "Whip" bows, a 58" 51 @ 27" and a 62" 45# @ 28" .You will find that the general comments apply to both bows. I will also comment on each one individualy from time to time .
The Whip is a Deflex Reflex Longbow that has a very slim profile and a small grip. Both bows have the standard Thumb rest and a locator type grip that places your hand in the same position every time you pick up the bow.The limb tips are very well done and reinforced to use any of todays modern strings.They are a well reinforced fine tip that has great eye apeal.
The Whip Bows are made with natural woods, laid up by hand .Dan does not use Dymondwood or actionwood in his bows. You have to settle for the real thing.The workmanship is flawless. Each bow is finished with Eight coats of 2 part Urethane in a satin finish.{There is no reflection at all from either of the bows.}
The satin non reflective finish is flawless, just like the workmanship in the rest of the bow.
The first time you pick up a Whip you notice how light and well balanced it is and how nicely it seats into your hand. There is no trying to find the right grip, it just happens. The Whip is quiet, deathly quiet in fact. With "quiet" in any bow comes the dead in the hand feeling and these bows have it. There is no feeling to the shot, the arrow streaks away and the bow sits there. No noise, no buzz ,no shock , it just sits in your hand . This is shooting quality at its best.
The first bow to arrive was to be reviewed by Shannon Kuzik, my testing partner because I was commited to a full load of reviews.This is the 58",51# @27" whip. I was going to shoot it for a couple days just to get a feel for it and turn it over to Shannon who would take it for the summer work up a review and try to harvest an annimal with it this fall for an update to the review if he liked the bow. This plan fell apart rather quickly after I shot the whip.I took it to the range and had a few friends test shoot it and held onto it for a bit longer than planned before giving it to Shannon for his review. I just hated to let it go, and I was planing to borrow it back from Shannon to take to the shoots I go to . I always have demonstrator bows with me for people to test shoot and the Whip needed to be shot and passed around at the target butts.
When I told Dan about how much I was impressed he decided to send another bow to be taken to the events. This time we decided to pick a longer model in a light weight that everyone could shoot. The 58" 51#, @ 27" bow is a bit too much draw for the ladies and young shooters, and the short bow is not Ideal for those 30" draw shooters.It is intended for shooters with a draw of 28" or less.The second bow we decided on is 62" ,45# at 28".This one can be shot by anyone , and every shooter will be able to feel for themselves just how sweet it shoots regardless of their draw length.
Pat testing the 45# Whip
In about 3 weeks the second bow arrived and like the first one it is also flawless. I was impressed with the short 58"model and then after shooting the longer 62"bow I was sold on it. That extra limb length and light draw weight makes for one sweet shooting experience. I liked it enough that I shot it in the first 3D shoot of the season after having it for only a couple days and placed second with it.I also shot one of my best rounds ever with the Whip. It is just too easy to like these bows. Finding arrows to match these bows was easy and the setup took very little time. Forgiving is a term often debated, however I consider the whips to be forgiving. Even when I release an arrow I know I shouldn't have, it seems to find its way to the target with reasonable accuracy. The 3D 8 rings seem to be very easy to find with these bows, even on days that my mind seems to be elsewhere. This is what I call forgiving.
Frequently when I pass around a new bow to be test shot the shooters shoot a few arrows and move on to the next bow. I am finding that a lot of the guys testing the whips come back to them over and over. They seem to be a bow that the more you shoot them the more you like them. First impressions are good , and they get better every time someone comes back to shoot them some more.
Last week at a 3D shoot a friend and the 3D director had his bow delaminate after the first round . This is his only trad bow , and he was in a bind. John had tested several bows at a previous shoot and I offered him any of the 7 bows I had with me to finish the shoot with. The 45# whip was his choice and is with John in Calgary now getting ready to be shot in this weekends 3D shoot. I hope it will not be to difficult to get it back from him this weekend after the shoot is over. I also hope that lending him the Whip to shoot against me doesn't let him beat me. I do have reason to be concerned now that he has the "Whip".
The shoot John was to use the Whip at has come and gone. I had taken the 51# whip that Shanon has with me also to this shoot so that it would get some exposure too.
On Sunday John used the shorter and heavier { 58" 51 # @ 27"} whip and I am sure he is having difficulty deciding which one he prefers . His scores went up when he shot with the 51# Whip . I would not be surprised to see John with a new Whip of his own in the near future.
All readings taken with a Speed Tach chronograph with 6V constant power supply at the same session .
Both bows were set up for hunting and had an endless loop 12 strand D2 string and rubber cat whisker silencers as supplied with the bows. All testing was done with a 3 under glove release.
58" 51# @ 27" "WHIP" 1 PIECE CHRONO RESULTS.
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Montana Whip
The first Montana Whip Pete gave me to try was the 58” long bow that was 51 pounds at 27”. It was a Reflex Deflex long bow with all the natural woods and was very light. It had a non-reflective finish with a thumb rest that places your hand in the correct position every time. The craftsmanship was flawless with smooth lines. When I took it to the range it shot very fast but quiet and had no hand shock.
Pete then sent me the 62” long whip that was 45 pounds at 28”. It had the same thumb rest and Reflex Deflex limbs with bamboo core. It was also was very light and had the non-reflective finish. When I took it to the range it was easy to shoot, silent and dead in the hand. My 610 grain carbon hunting arrows flew perfect with it.
After shooting a bit more, I decided to use the 62” 45 pound whip for the 2006 hunting season. The first hunting trip in 2006 was for elk and mule deer in the Alberta Rocky Mountains on the Jasper Park border. The temperature was 30 degrees Celsius during the day and in the 20’s at night. The animals stayed in the thick spruce and swamp bottoms and unfortunately the elk weren’t calling so it turned out to be more of a scouting trip.
My second trip was again for elk but it was pouring rain all day, it even snowed for a couple hours. I covered about 35km in the rain and mud with the bow performing flawless along the way, even though I didn’t. I missed a huge 6X6 bull elk at 12 yards! During all the excitement and adrenalin pumping, I didn’t cant the bow enough so I hit the bottom limb tip on the ground when I shot. Unfortunately I didn’t get much time to hunt last year so that was my only real chance at an elk. You have to learn from your mistakes, I know I learn new things every time I’m in the bush hunting.
I did love stump shooting and hunting with the Whip Long Bow. Its light weight was always a treat to carry on the long days chasing elk and other four legged creatures over mountains and threw the bush. I didn’t harvest any animals with the Montana Whip Long Bow in 2006 but hopefully Pete will let me borrow it for spring black bear in 2007.
SHANNON KUZIK
Pete Ward
"Welcome to my outdoor world."