PETE WARD

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Review

Trad Tech Black Max Carbon Extreme ILF limbs

 45#@28"

http://www.tradtecharchery.com/

a division of

LANCASTER ARCHERY SUPPLY
2195-A Old Philadelphia Pike (Rt. 340)
Lancaster, PA 17602
1 mile East of Rte. 30 on Rt. 340

Call 1-800-829-7408 

 email  info@tradtecharchery.com 

Product Description
Advanced engineering, workmanship & materials for the quickest, most stable ILF limb for the traditional archer
Limb tips are fastFlight/high performance bow string compatible
Satin black finish over carbon
8 lams w/ 6 carbon layers with foam synthetic core
ILF (international limb fitting) for standardized use on all ILF risers
Weight is measured @ 28 on a 17 riser

Review:

The Black max Carbon Extreme limb is the newest addition to the Trad Tech Black Max line up of ILF limbs made by samick Archery for Trad Tech. These limbs have the latest tech inovations in the ILF world of conventional shaped limbs offered today, with a full synthetic make up of 8 laminations, Carbon ,Phenolic reinforced tips and buts,  and synthetic foam cores for smoothness and temperature stability.  Each is fitted with Stainless steel ILF dovetails and clear plastic limb pads  {that are intended to remain in place}.  There is no wood anywhere in these limbs so bad weather , rain etc should never be a worry. There is no possible way for the limbs to get wet and swell from a nick or scratch while hunting or for water to get into the core at the limb butt slot, or bolt holes. carbon and Foam do not absorb water.They are finished in a satin no glare black that will be perfect for the hunters.

 Torsional stability is definitely there.These limbs are rock solid, and a pleasure to shoot. I have had these limbs for a few months now, and have had a lot of people try them out. So far there has not been any negative feedback from the shooters that tried them, and several have ordered a set or a complete bow after trying them out.  Most of my shooting with these limbs has been on Trad Tech's new Black Magic ILF riser. The Black max carbon Extreme limb and the Black max riser make for a great shooting combination. I have also shot them with the 15" Onyx, 17" titan, and 19" Titan III risers and a couple warf TD3 risers.
 They all are nice combinations, but for me I will be shooting them mostly on the Black Magic riser.  The combination of the Black magic and the carbon Extreme limb is just a very nice shooting bow that has great looks too.
 

 Trad Tech has made a very nice combination with this setup, and I expect to see a lot of these bows showing up at the lanes and shoots. The limbs are capable of handling any type string material , and although the supplied string I received is a 16 strand DF97 I know I will be switching to one of my own 10 strand strings after I complete this review.
 These limbs shoot quietly from all of the risers I used them on with just a set of Beaver ball silencers, and a brace height adjustment for each size riser. On the Black magic and Titan I found that a brace of 8" to 8 1/4" seemed to give the nicest after the shot feel and quietness. I like heavy arrows , so most of the chrono numbers will not be blazing fast, bear in mind it is easy to make a bow shoot high numbers with light arrows, but I don't hunt with light arrows and feel that heavy arrows are better for the life of any bow or limb. Trad Tech will warranty the Black max carbon Extreme limb down to 5gr/pound if speed is what you want. I don't recommend this , and will not shoot it this way unless Trad Tech specifically requests me to do so. I am perfectly happy to shoot a slower arrow silently and vibration free on all of my bows.


The limbs I have are an early manufactured set where the weight was marked wrong. I expect that this is now well under control. My limbs are marked at 45# @ 28" but actualy scale a few pounds more. please look at the actual weights on the charts below when evaluating the limbs performance. These are medium length limbs, and they are best suited to a draw length of 29" or less. I am showing the weights and speeds based on the limb bolt setting that I think optomize the limbs potential for each draw length, and prevents stacking, or a spongy feel.  The black magic riser has new limb bushings that allow for the limb bolt to be bottomed out, instead of the older style bushing on the Titan etc that needed the bolt to be backed out 2 turns. pay attention to the limb bolt settings of the various ILF risers you have to ensure you do not go out of the safe adjustment range.
 For short draws of 27" or less I use the full in setting and back the bolts out 1 turn for each additional inch of draw length on medium length limbs.This gives a max draw length of 29" with the bolts backed out 3 turns. After that I recommend a set of long limbs. Those with a shorter draw length under 27" will be better suited with a set of short limbs and adjust the bolts accordingly.


If you want a heavier weight limb in ILF buy one that will give the desired weight at your draw length and the bolts set to optimize the limb at that draw length, rather than cranking down the bolts to over stress a lighter weight limb. Shorts are good to 27", mediums 27 to 29" and longs  29" and over.  They make ILF limbs in different length's to accommodate different draw lengths . It works.

I often read where shooters remove the limb pads from Black Max limbs. This makes no sense to me. Trad Tech put them there for a reason, and they also set the dovetail depth to accommodate this limb butt thickness. If you insist on removing the plastic pads be aware you just changed the depth the dovetail sits in the ILF slot and most likely made the limb louder. You also may have shortened it's life.




Chart 1 bolts full in 26/27"

  Draw Length   Pounds Weight gain   Arrow |Weight    FPS   Arrow weight   FPSArrow weight   FPS   
  1                  
  2                  
  3                  
  4                  
  5                  
  6                  
  7                  
  8                  
  9   0                
  10   8.18                
  11   12.13                
  12   15.39                
  13   18.45                
  14   20.90                
  15   23.61                
  16   25.58                
  17   27.47                
  18   29.57                
  19   31.33                
  20   33.38                
  21   35.21                
  22   37.33                
  23   39.55                
  24   41.60                
  25   44.05     Arrow weight   FPS   Arrow Weight   FPS      
  26   46.50     492   165   800   133      
  27   48.99     492   174   800   141      
  28   51.72                  
  29   54.92                  
  30                  
  31                  
  32                  
  33                  


 

Chart 2 bolts 1 turn out 27"

  Draw Length   Pounds Weight gain   Arrow |Weight    FPS   Arrow weight   FPSArrow weight   FPS   
  1                  
  2                  
  3                  
  4                  
  5                  
  6                  
  7                  
  8                  
  9   0                
  10   6.79                
  11   11.53                
  12   15.35                
  13   17.90                
  14   20.57                
  15   23.06                
  16   25.02                
  17   27.10                
  18   28.90                
  19   30.70                
  20   32.54                
  21   34.37                
  22   36.44                
  23   38.65                
  24   40.74                
  25   43.04     Arrow Weight   FPS   Arrow Weight   FPS      
  26   45.62                
  27   48.24     492  173   800  139      
  28   50.80                
  29   53.75                
  30   56.75                
  31                  
  32                  
  33                  


 

Chart 3 bolts 2 turns out 28"

  Draw Length   Pounds Weight gain   Arrow |Weight    FPS   Arrow weight   FPSArrow weight   FPS   
  1                  
  2                  
  3                  
  4                  
  5                  
  6                  
  7                  
  8                  
  9   0                
  10   6.35                
  11   11.09                
  12   14.49                
  13   17.51                
  14   19.95                
  15   22.20                
  16   24.21                
  17   26.35                
  18   28.02                
  19   29.76                
  20   31.57                
  21   33.67                
  22   35.45                
  23   37.55                
  24   39.75                
  25   42.13     Arrow Weight   FPS Arrow Weight   FPS      
  26   44.29                
  27   46.98                
  28   49.43     492   174   800   144      
  29   52.49                
  30   55.82                
  31                  
  32                  
  33                  


Chart 4 bolts 3 turns out 29"

  Draw Length   Pounds Weight gain   Arrow |Weight    FPS   Arrow weight   FPSArrow weight   FPS   
  1                  
  2                  
  3                  
  4                  
  5                  
  6                  
  7                  
  8                  
  9   0                
  10   5.69                
  11   10.49                
  12   13.67                
  13   16.43                
  14   19.27                
  15   21.50                
  16   23.61                
  17   25.38                
  18   27.10                
  19   28.88                
  20  30.95                
  21   32.59                
  22   34.66                
  23   36.73                
  24   38.89                
  25  41.05     Arrow Weight   FPS   Arrow Weight   FPS      
  26  43.41                
  27   45.73                
  28   48.86                
  29   51.44     492   182   800   149      
  30   54.19                
  31                  
  32                  
  33                  

I don't think there are any changes I will suggest for these limbs. They shoot good, are quiet, vibration free and look good. Performance is well suited to any game I will hunt with them . The no glare finish is exactly what a hunting limb needs, and the all synthetic make up of carbon, foam and phenolic is as weatherproof as we can ask for. They are good, and I expect that these will serve me well for a long time to come. I really do not have any criticism , they are fine the way they are. The price tag is also an attractive feature, at $399  for a carbon foam ILF limb you are getting something for the extra money over a wood glass limb.


 

Pete Ward

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